"The violence helps, gives it a certain power," Sefton says. "But no, that act of sacrifice is important. I've done - well, I've walked some hard paths to find things out - " and he doesn't much want to talk about some of that because the torture of the bus was very specific to him - "but I've also managed to get around it.

"Like when I recruited my partner to, um, donate some of his bodily fluids."

Joe would bloody kill him for bringing that up, but he's pretty smug that it even worked.